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Xaxaxe
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:31 pm

huw wrote:Don't know if this should go under "Shady Dealers" or not:

Hoping your buyers don't see the really, really small print is the very definition of "shady." As is any use of a stock photo when the seller's own item clearly differs in condition.

You posted this one in the correct thread, for sure.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:23 pm

No doubt on that one.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:23 pm

huw wrote:Don't know if this should go under "Shady Dealers" or not:

cgi.ebay.co.uk/D-D-AD-D-Silver-Annivers ... dZViewItem

A silver box, listed as new with a shrinkwrapped picture - but the (very) small print mentions that the picture is a stock picture, it's been opened and it's missing L3 and some art.

POSTAGE £12??!!!!

WTF is he DOING??!!! shipping it with a house-brick??!! holy feck!!

last one i shipped of them was about £5.50 or so and was very protected!

shady thats for sure. what a sap!

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Sea-to-sky-games
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:15 pm

Hoping your buyers don't see the really, really small print is the very definition of "shady." As is any use of a stock photo when the seller's own item clearly differs in condition.

You posted this one in the correct thread, for sure.

I don't think any seller of any product goes out of his or her way to stress, emphasize, or call undue attention to characteristics of an item that some may find unattractive. Case and point, virtually 100% of the items you purchase have "fine print". Nor do they seek to perfectly educate the buyer about every item they are about to purchase.

With that in mind I don't think it's reasonable to hold this seller to some higher standard. The seller correctly notes the missing elements, and frankly you'd have to be pretty stupid, ignorant, or both not to notice it [apparently everyone on this forum was aware of it under their own power]. After all, he's got in big capital letters things that are there.. and anyone who is remotely interested in these things will be sure to want to see L3 listed.. so the absence is pretty glaring.

So yes, sellers will take advantage of ignorant buyers.. just as buyers will take full advantage of ignorant sellers.. but that's human nature, and of which everyone here is "guilty" to some degree or another.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:48 pm

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:

I don't think any seller of any product goes out of his or her way to stress, emphasize, or call undue attention to characteristics of an item that some may find unattractive. Case and point, virtually 100% of the items you purchase have "fine print". Nor do they seek to perfectly educate the buyer about every item they are about to purchase.

With that in mind I don't think it's reasonable to hold this seller to some higher standard. The seller correctly notes the missing elements, and frankly you'd have to be pretty stupid, ignorant, or both not to notice it [apparently everyone on this forum was aware of it under their own power]. After all, he's got in big capital letters things that are there.. and anyone who is remotely interested in these things will be sure to want to see L3 listed.. so the absence is pretty glaring.

So yes, sellers will take advantage of ignorant buyers.. just as buyers will take full advantage of ignorant sellers.. but that's human nature, and of which everyone here is "guilty" to some degree or another.

i guess you changed your mind in the last 5 days then:

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Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
gyg wrote:
** expired/removed eBay auction **

Silver box - but in a teeny-tiny itsy-bitsy note - no L3 etc

You would think "opened, but never used" would exclude a state in which important components were missing.

further proof that you continuously just talk out of your ass.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:59 pm

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
I don't think any seller of any product goes out of his or her way to stress, emphasize, or call undue attention to characteristics of an item that some may find unattractive.

1. If the seller did not mention the missing items or that the picture is not the one for sale, they would be completely at fault if the buyer complained after receiving the item.

2. With that in mind, although listed, the seller has gone out of their way to try and hide the fact that things are missing. Using a 6 point font to note the missing items and a 20 point colour font for everything else. That's is a deliberate attempt to hide the information and is shady.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:05 pm

thehiddenone wrote:further proof that you

Haven't I seen this movie somewhere before?

Long ago, a friend of mine showed me the first 15 minutes of two different Anglo martial-arts movies. They were written and produced by the same guy. The movies featured different actors and were filmed in different years, but the two movies had the same script. We listened to the same dialogue and saw the same type of props. The end result was the same result: a shitty movie.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:13 pm

That reminds me...I have not seen bclarkie posting for about a week or so.
Does anybody know if he is ok?

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Xaxaxe
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:06 pm

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Case and point, virtually 100% of the items you purchase have "fine print". Nor do they seek to perfectly educate the buyer about every item they are about to purchase.

The seller went out of his way to switch fonts and point sizes to de-emphasize the shaky parts of his listing. He used a stock photo that does not represent the item he has for sale (a violation of eBay policy, BTW). As this particular item loses much of its value if the L3 is not included, it seems clear to just about everyone here â€” but not you, of course; never you â€” that this is shady behavior.

thehiddenone wrote:further proof that you continuously just talk out of your ass.

Good call on that one. It's also further proof that StS is here strictly just to disagree with whatever is posted here, no matter the circumstances. If that includes contradicting himself ... well, trolls recover pretty easily from that type of damage.

Serious question: does this bulletin-board software include an "ignore user" function? I'm pretty sure it does. If so, I cast a strong vote that it be implemented as soon as possible. I've had my limit of this troll-ish bullshit.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:37 pm

jasonw1239 wrote:That reminds me...I have not seen bclarkie posting for about a week or so.
Does anybody know if he is ok?

He has posted some over on Dragonsfoot this weekend so I am sure he is fine.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:43 pm

Kingofpain89 wrote:
He has posted some over on Dragonsfoot this weekend so I am sure he is fine.

Thanks.
I don't know him personally, but i do enjoy his posts!

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:57 pm

huw wrote:Don't know if this should go under "Shady Dealers" or not:

cgi.ebay.co.uk/D-D-AD-D-Silver-Annivers ... dZViewItem

A silver box, listed as new with a shrinkwrapped picture - but the (very) small print mentions that the picture is a stock picture, it's been opened and it's missing L3 and some art.

I emailed the seller and pointed out some of the shady bits about his auction and he has since taken that one down and relisted it with the description fixed.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:02 pm

Mars wrote:
I emailed the seller and pointed out some of the shady bits about his auction and he has since taken that one down and relisted it with the description fixed.

I see in the "fix" that he mentions the fact that you are entitled "to there opi-onions".

He must be using the Cougar/LittlePrincessFreya spellchecker!

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:08 pm

takeing the auction down and relisting it just makes him look even shadier - whatever STS may think this guy absolutely knew what he was doing - just look at the other stuff he is selling - he knows his stuff and was clearly trying to fleece the unsuspecting.

You can never have too much of something you didn't need in the first place.

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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:34 pm

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
So yes, sellers will take advantage of ignorant buyers.. just as buyers will take full advantage of ignorant sellers.. but that's human nature, and of which everyone here is "guilty" to some degree or another.

Moral relativism isn't an aspect of "human nature". To suggest that everyone here is "guilty" of trying to fleece others is insulting.

I know that many here have decided to ignore STS but until know, I've given him the benfit of the doubt with regard to his motives and desire to actually contribute to this forum.

But this is ridiculous. To defend what is clearly a juvenile attempt to mislead buyers suggest (as Xaxaxe stated) that STS is here to be a contrarian.

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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:03 am

evl wrote:
To suggest that everyone here is "guilty" of trying to fleece others is insulting.

"guilty" of trying to fleece others is not an accurate quote of Sea-to-Sky-games. It's not a quote at all.

Sea-to-sky-games specifically said:

So yes, sellers will take advantage of ignorant buyers.. just as buyers will take full advantage of ignorant sellers.. but that's human nature, and of which everyone here is "guilty" to some degree or another.

His specific point seems to me to be that self-interest is basic human nature. I don't see how you can argue against that.

Sea-to-sky-games has not suggested that the seller is totally innocent. He has only suggested that there are mitigating circustances that should be included in a judgement.

No one has to agree with anything Sea-to-sky-games says. I just don't understand why people feel justified in being rude to him.

Mark

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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:17 am

Bacause he's an idiot?
It's not "human nature" to take advantage of people, that is a learned behavior. The fact that Suck The Shaft is a tool does not mean everyone else in the world is. He's a mild form of Maxwell.

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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:21 am

And as it has already been pointed out, STD's posts consist of whatever he thinks will rile up members. I don't however, want to see Stupid Tool Sucker banned. All villages need an idiot, even ours.

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