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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:16 pm 
 

Wrong.

The plural form of the word die is dice. THere is no such thing as dices.

Goose--Geese  no geeses.

Mouse--Mice     no mices

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:22 pm 
 

How about sheeps?    Or Oxens  :D


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:24 pm 
 

Sheepies and Oxes.

Oh, and 'mices' is a word. It's in Tom & Jerry.

And does that mean the plural of 'moose' is 'mose'?


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:40 pm 
 

Oh fer chrissakes.  It was a joke.   :roll:

However, since we're making such a fuss about it, what's wrong with stating:

*Some mices prefer feta, while others prefer cheddar.

The word "mice" in this context is semantically equivalent to "singular species or breed of mouse", not "more than one mouse", and is therefore a singular noun.  The correct plural form would normally be created by the addition of -s, in English.  So why does it seem wrong?

It can be argued that the final -s is not overt, as the singular form already ends in a sibilant.  Most singulars of this type will, as they are based on English plurals.  This explains why "peoples" is correct, but "*mices" is not.  So it appears to revert back to "mice".  

This also explains why words borrowed from other languages (eg. "spaghetti/spaghettis"), are overtly double-pluralized in English.  This is not necessarily true of all dialects of English, and should not be assumed.  Some dialects do indeed imitate Smeagol's speech; it is not a phenomenon Tolkein invented.  

"Hobbitses" is incorrect, however, unless the word is being used in the same fashion -- the simple plural would of course be "hobbits".

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:03 pm 
 

You won't win the 'mices' arguement, Deim'. Not with an English teacher (even one that teaches American English). In the example you've given, one should expand the sentence and correct the grammer, and then the 'mices' problem no longer exists... Some breeds of mice prefer feta, while others prefer cheddar.

What you could argue is that it is correct phonetically.




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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:05 pm 
 

I might have to have beer; or beers  (but not beerses) after reading this thread!   :lol:

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:08 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:00 pm 
 

My grammer would never read this thread. She's too old, anyhow.

Rhyming feta with cheddah? Hmmm....

Die v dice, eh? What's the singular of Rice, Rouse? (as in Lice & louse)


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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:13 pm 
 

I'm with Deimos on this one. First, it was obviously a joke; there was no need to start whipping out credentials :roll:; second, even if it wasn't a joke, I don't think it's safe to ever assume anything where the English language is concerned (especially the American-ized version).

English is not nearly as internally consisent as French, Spanish, or just about any other language of your choice — it is full of contradictions, inconsistencies, and exceptions. Is "dices" really so hard to believe when dealing with a language that pronounces "bomb," "comb," and "tomb" three different ways?

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:28 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:*Some mices prefer feta, while others prefer cheddar.


   This must be an East Coast accent thing.   :?

   Here in the more refined West, "cheddar" rhymes with "sweater."  

   That is, unless, on the East Coast, "sweater" also rhymes with "feta."

   Do people in Eastern Canada also have accents similar to New York or Boston?  Serious...do they?   :?

   Does everyone in the East sound like a Kennedy?  

   (For instance, in Toronto, does "decade" (DECK-aid) sound exactly like "decayed?")

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:20 pm 
 

I took it to be tongue-in-cheek.

If you have two large herbivorous semi-aquatic mammals, you have two Moose, not mooses. If you grow two varieties of the cereal graiin called rice, you have two rice, not rices.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:30 pm 
 

Kaskoid wrote:I LOVE American English because it is a living, evolving language. Unlike French, where they pass laws to keep it "PURE".

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:11 pm 
 

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deimos3428 wrote:*Some mices prefer feta, while others prefer cheddar.


   This must be an East Coast accent thing.   :?

   Here in the more refined West, "cheddar" rhymes with "sweater."  

   That is, unless, on the East Coast, "sweater" also rhymes with "feta."

   Do people in Eastern Canada also have accents similar to New York or Boston?  Serious...do they?   :?

   Does everyone in the East sound like a Kennedy?  

   (For instance, in Toronto, does "decade" (DECK-aid) sound exactly like "decayed?")

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Feta and cheddar do not rhyme in my dialect, I'm just not very creative with my cheese types.  I knew I should have said havarti.

"decayed" is most assuredly different than "decade".  

The vowel quality of the first syllable is either "dee" or "deh" (sorry, no IPA symbols, so I'm winging it), depending on whom your speaking with.  

Speakers that do not differentiate the words by vowel quality, do so by stress -- "decade" stresses the first syllable, "decayed" the last.  (I didn't do an exhaustive survey...)

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:17 pm 
 

Quite kor-rekt.
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Post Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:37 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Die v dice, eh? What's the singular of Rice, Rouse? (as in Lice & louse)

The singular of "rice" is -- well, it's a trick question, there isn't really one.  It can be assumed to be "rice", though.  The collective plural of rice is "rices".

Why is this different than "mouse/mice/mice", as I posited earlier?  Didn't I already said the -s shouldn't be there?  Why am I making a 180?  It's only one letter different!

Simple.  Semantic pressure.  It's far more semantically ambiguous to have identical forms than not.  The language is attempting to differentiate by adding -s to collective noun plurals where it can do so unopposed.  The existence of a non-collective plural in "mice" can prevent this from happening, but "rice" has no such non-collective counterpart and so is caving to this pressure, at least in some dialects.

(I would say "mooses", "rices", and "beers" -- in the collective sense only, of course.  I would never say "dices" or "mices".)

And yes, I'm making it up as I go along.  That's what linguists do, and why English teachers hate us so.   :wink:

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:08 am 
 

I think this is the correct thread for this:

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:06 am 
 

Tiz one iz fun !

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:12 am 
 

chromaticknight wrote:I think this is the correct thread for this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=92699

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:18 am 
 

sheeadog wrote:
chromaticknight wrote:I think this is the correct thread for this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=92699

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Yeah, you can BIN for $300 and it retails for $600 (according to the description).  What a bargain!  You got to be kidding.  Just when you thought you've seen it all...

That's the great thing about art.  It's subjective, so you can try to charge whatever you want.  Unfortunately, the best way to make money with art is to fail your system shock roll.  Should put more percentile dice on there...

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:29 pm 
 

I love this part of the description:  "Heavy bracelet, feels great on your wrist!"

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