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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:08 pm 
 

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Have a bit of a bizarre task, I need to accomplish by Wednesday night. I need to come up with estimates on the number of copies printed and pricing of the following products. I've given my estimates, please share your data or thoughts on the matter:

Blackmoor $5.00        50,000 copies
Monster Manual 1977 $9.95 342,000 copies
U3 Danger at Dunwater $7.00 100,000 copies
Monster Compendium 1989        $19.95 600,000 copies
Monstrous Manual 1995        $29.95 300,000 copies
Monstrous Manual 1997        $29.95 150,000 copies
Monstrous Arcana: Sea Devils 1997 $19.95 20,000 copies
Monstrous Arcana: Evil Tide (9542) 1997        $9.95 15,000 copies
Monstrous Arcana: Night of the Shark (9550) 1997 $9.95 15,000 copies
Monstrous Arcana: Sea of Blood (9560) 1997 $13.95 15,000 copies
Monster Manual 1999 $19.95 750,000 copies
Monster Manual 2004 $19.95 150,000 copies


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:30 pm 
 

Talk to Ralf, he helped me out with his contact when I was attempting to gauge print runs of module series.  I will warn you that the information is kept near and dear to a company's chest; the little I was able to glean was from the silver anniversary book and the shreds of Ryan's comments from closing up the TSR accounting books.  Most of the evidence is circumstantial - when you hear of a small company (JG, Chaosium, etc.) crowing about selling 10,000 copies and saying that's almost as much as the big guys, you know that TSR (the gorilla) likely sold more of its same-era competing products.  I can't find the thread with my module print run estimates where we had this conversation - it may have been deleted.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:45 pm 
 

The only deleted threads are posts in the Classifieds forum older than 90 days.  Everything else is here... somewhere.

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:37 pm 
 

80k of U3. That seems unusual. How far off is that from a standard module in the same time period?


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:51 pm 
 

Confirmed number of copies available?

  


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Post Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:22 pm 
 

Perfect!  Thanks for digging, FoulFoot.  I think my estimates are still too high though  :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:25 am 
 

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But really, how many Monster Manuals were produced? Here is how I esitmated based on the Harold Johnson interview:

1st 10,000
2nd 20,000
3rd 24,000
4th 24,000
5th 24,000
6th 24,000
7th 24,000
8th 24,000
9th 24,000
10th 24,000
11th 24,000
12th 24,000
13th 24,000
14th 24,000
15th 24,000

That's 342,000. Any idea about the print runs for the 3e and 3.5e Monster Manuals?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:29 am 
 

IIRC Paul, the 3.0 books were printed in the range of hundreds of thousands of copies---that's part of why they were supposedly able to keep the price down to $20 for the first year or three that the books were around.  This was discussed pretty heavily on ENWorld, by folks at WotC like Ryan Dancey, Anthony Valterra, etc., but I don't recall any definitive lists of figures ever being made available.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:27 pm 
 

3.0 actually went over a million copies for the core trinity.  I can't say how far over, though.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:33 pm 
 

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darkseraphim wrote:3.0 actually went over a million copies for the core trinity.  I can't say how far over, though.

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So does that mean 333,333 Monster Manuals, 333,333 DMG's, and 333,333 PH's?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:54 pm 
 

We're never going to know.  You're looking for openness and common sense from TSR / WotC accounting departments.
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I would have to guess that the PHB has a larger print run.  Maybe 450,000 PHBs and 275,000 of each of the others.  Then keep in mind that there were a million books in print in 2001, so maybe up those by 20%?  That way you do get to 330,000, but only if you accept more PHBs than MMs.

  
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