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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:39 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Except in one thing: First Print values don't apply to it, since it is incomplete. If I had a 1st print PHB, and 1/3 of the pages had been removed and replaced with pages from a 5th print, it is no longer a 1st print PHB. So the values don't apply.

You do have a point, Frank.
A hardline approach might suggest that it's not even worth as much as a complete 2nd printing, since it isn't even one of those!

I was trying to allow for the likelihood (90%+) that there are a sufficient number of people who would adopt a more optimistic outlook and bid against each other on the basis of such.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:51 pm 
 

Well, I think we've successfully terrified every casual user out there into never offering their woodgrain finds on eBay.
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It sounds like the seller took the high road, accepting all criticism and education as it came.  Whatever he wants to do with it now is up to him.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:07 pm 
 

lol my $20 offer stands :P

I need a cheap wood grain :-)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:09 pm 
 

And my $40 offer also still stands...
Three of four parts of a First Woody is better than NO parts of a First Woody. :)

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:25 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:

"Tragically, your set is much like the set of Wood Grain Set Books with NO box at all, which sold on E-Bay (Along with several other rare books included in the auction) for less than $150 less than a month ago. I know, I was bidding on it just for the woody books alone. Someone here (I forget who) can attest to this as he won the auction by sniping me!"

I was not purposefully inferring with that wording that Peter's partial box set is not worth much more than the $150 paid for that Woody box set with no box.

I actually feel that Peter's partial set is worth more than the ‘Poor to Excellent' Condition range listed on the Acaeum for a First Print of the woody set.

Perhaps it should get near $1200, as harami puts forth with his mathematics gymnastics, but I would truly be hard pressed to offer that much myself, especially knowing the facts that I now know. I could not justify doing that to myself, much less to the wife, even though I was ready to pay far more than that for what was then thought to be a complete first print woody.

More is the pity that, as I believe that a complete First Print Wood Grain Box Set is even scarcer than anyone here realizes.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:49 pm 
 

Hey guys,
    I thank you for the discussion. This is a great little education on my set. Whatever I choose to do in the future, this is just the kind of discussion I need to see in order to make an iformed decision. Who knew that the direction of printed woodgrain would lead to such confusion?

You know, I used to spend my summers in Delavan, Wisconsin, which is the next town over from Lake Geneva. Now I wish that I spent more time going to garage sales and such. Perhaps I would have ended up with a stack of these sets to hand out to you all for helping me! Maybe I'll just finish that time machine that I am working on... err...  :lol:

  

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:54 pm 
 

Considering the fact that it would be easily damaged, and that 99% of people who bought one wouldn't shrink/poly it like they would a tourney mod (since when the Brownie came out, D&D was unheard of), I would suspect that a decent condition one would be VERY rare. Makes Scott's $700 snag a candidate for Best of the Year.
To be honest, I personally would have no interest in paying over $200 or so for it. UNLESS I owned a First print book 3. A wise collector would snag this set, and hunt for #3, since the number of first print #3 booklets is definitely going to be higher than the number of boxes. Look at it this way. It's 1977, you own a 1st woody. You drunkenly step on the box during a heavy-hitting Saturday night. The box would get tossed, and you'd keep the books, no? And since the boxes are relatively easily damaged, AND since the box itself has no useable reference material, most people would have considered it expendable compared to the contents. For example, if you take all the White box auctions this year (say 80 for testing purposes), and take all the unboxed booklet auctions (20), that would mean statistically that 20% of all whiteys are now unboxed. Hence, at least 20% of woodies would be unboxed. Assuming 1/2 of the unboxed booklets disappeared, that leaves 100 sets of unboxed books.
Obviously the numbers may be less, or even more, but I think you see my reasoning. Most people KNEW the tourney mods were a treasure. I think relatively few knew that the woodies would be. How many people wrote on their Black Lotuses when Magic the Gathering first came out?


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:11 pm 
 

PeterFedofsky wrote:You know, I used to spend my summers in Delavan, Wisconsin, which is the next town over from Lake Geneva. Now I wish that I spent more time going to garage sales and such. Perhaps I would have ended up with a stack of these sets to hand out to you all for helping me! Maybe I'll just finish that time machine that I am working on... err...  :lol:

*g*. That sounds so familiar, Peter.
Hindsight can be fun in this context!

(oh, btw, was your woodgrain purchase from that same area??)

Compare with...

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That second point is no joke, Pat... I picked up Elrohir's cover art for Dragon #11 last year on ebay (two bids, only). The vendor (still living in Lake Geneva) only knew about the TSR connection because of their locale/connections and had *no* idea that the artwork had been used on the magazine. A couple of quotations from their response made interesting reading in the context of any surviving early artwork, especially by lesser known names... "Thank you for sending the picture, too, as my sister worked for TSR for many years. I asked her if she saved anything good, and she replied, she didn't think it would ever amt. to much. Which was the general attitude in this town at the time. Gary Gygax was considered kind of a local nutcase back then. If we had only known.... I cannot remember the exact address, as it was an estate sale so many years ago, but I do remember close to what year, and that it was bought right here in town. Could've even been sold to me by the original artist, they were all poor back then and sold off a lot of the art for grocery money." Sounds like Lake Geneva would have been a good place to help pay the bills of starving artists, etc., back in those days  :)
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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:18 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:A wise collector would snag this set, and hunt for #3, since the number of first print #3 booklets is definitely going to be higher than the number of boxes.

Hey, but there were negative comments when I drove that also-sadly-incomplete 1st print up to $583, just over a week ago... ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6932136508
(However, that volume 3 wasn't quite "mint"... and there's the rub: to get a /good/ match with the rest of an EX+ book set still ain't gonna be easy, and that's the only such partial set I can remember seeing for some time...).

Agreed with that comment on books vs. box though, of course!

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:18 pm 
 

(oh, btw, was your woodgrain purchase from that same area??)



Oddly enough, it was purchased in Seattle, Washignton.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:24 pm 
 

PeterFedofsky wrote:
(oh, btw, was your woodgrain purchase from that same area??)



Oddly enough, it was purchased in Seattle, Washignton.

*lol*

Well, they could've moved, or else been into wargames previously...
(As per my previous comment that other woodgrains could've made it over to the UK on the back of the TSR connection, rather than as the start of a new range of games in their own right).

  


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:34 pm 
 

Peter,

 With all the time you've been hanging around here maybe you should consider joining this mad hatter crew of D&D geeks,  :P  keeping the woodie, and begin a lookout for a 1st print Underworld & Wilderness Adventures yourself. Not a bad place to start a collection :D

I've deduced two reasons, and their JMO as to the "condition" of the woodie.

1. the owner lost or somehow destroyed his 1st print Underworld & Wilderness Adventures and obtained a new copy probably by mail order just after the second print. This would explain why the errata sheet is present.

or-

2. the woodie is somekind of hybrid of surplus 1st print and 2nd print books sold when the second print run sold-out mid 1975. There appears to already be two diffrent variants of the 1st print Underworld & Wilderness Adventures according to the Acaum. Maybe there where problems with the print run and a few leftover 1st print Men & Magic and Monsters & Treasures where in surplus until the second print run. This again would explain why the errata sheet is present. Not an uncommon practice I've seen several copies of Tractics in the hands of longtime owners with diffrent printings in box.

I've got the question into Tom Wham former TSR employee at the time. Maybe he will shed some light on the subject.

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:43 pm 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5930601206

woodbox with more supplements than i care to name...


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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:59 pm 
 

dsaunders wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5930601206

woodbox with more supplements than i care to name...

s'OK. I was chatting with the seller 10 minutes after the auction started. *g*.
There are obvious faults, but the signed Blackmoor is kinda nice... :)

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Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:09 pm 
 

I am convinced that woodgrain boxes in good condition are much rarer than the books.  As someone who was playing at the time, I recall the boxes were excellent carrying cases.  The books didn't take up much of the box.  You could carry your dice, a few figures, character sheets, a pencil, etc. in the box as well.  This tended to degrade their condition quickly.  I did that very thing with my OCE, and the set of books is in excellent shape while the box is a little rough.  (Fortunately, I got my 2nd print from someone who was very careful with his possessions and the box is better than Peter's.)

  


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:54 am 
 

I've been giving this some thought as to the woodie's value. I consider myself an optimistic collector. And if this were a vintage car I would put it in the catagory of restorable. It would be expensive for sure most likely having to buy all three loose 1st print books from someone who like Frank stated earlier lost or destroyed their box, I'd agree with about 20%. Those books again would be costly probably in the range of a grand for two reasons. One they are 1st print supplements and some collectors would like to have copies box or not, and two to the unscrupulous collector/reseller simply placed in a latter print box.....you understand.
  If you did find those loose books what you now would have is your complete 1st print woodie. I'd equate it to a classic race car with two extra engins at that point, not to bad of a thought. Not exactly needed/necessary in this case, so at that point you could sell the surplus to try and recoup a few bucks, or just be happy with a loaded 1st print woodie. I'd place the value right around Harami's math of $1000 - $1200. There's my dime of time and JMO..... 8)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:44 pm 
 

dsaunders wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5930601206

woodbox with more supplements than i care to name...


What made me laugh is that now "financing is available" through paypal...

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Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:54 pm 
 

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dsaunders wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5930601206

woodbox with more supplements than i care to name...


What made me laugh is that now "financing is available" through paypal...


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Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:05 pm 
 

Anyone ever notice the financing available on the three holed Tsojconth for only $28 bucks (15 pounds 24) a month, thats less than a dollar a day.....Hmmm..sounds like a UNICEF commercial for the deprived rpg collector :lol: ....just imagine what that TV ad would be like. I envision narration/hosting by the Egg and a sound track takin from the First Quest Music Album........Have your check books ready. :D

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Post Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:25 pm 
 

well since I'm in finance I ran it though the old calculator, I'm assuming the paypal periods are months since thats what they say... 132 months is 11 years, Hell...  oh and I hope they have made a mistake paying back $3000 over 11 years at $125p/m is a 50% interest rate! oh couse the lower amounts are at a much more reasonable 22% interest... hmm I'll think I'll pass on this gereat opportunity...

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