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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:25 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:That final price on the Vamp is probably pretty accurate. It has been creeping up for the last year. I think another one (2nd print) went within the past 6 months or so for around the same price.

Again (and for anyone who picks up this thread in the future), that PotVQ was an incomplete copy, whereas I presume the previous one was.
The "extra" (IMHO) might've come in the form of it being one of the (apparently few) single-side copies, and that it does have an extra map which could be swapped if by some fluke you find someone with the other map duplicated.

The Acaeum gradings really have a problem with missing content. In theory, this copy dropped straight down to "Poor", although my highest bid shows that I take that convention with a pinch of salt, too!

Just my 02 cents, anyhow! ;)
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:34 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote:That final price on the Vamp is probably pretty accurate. It has been creeping up for the last year. I think another one (2nd print) went within the past 6 months or so for around the same price.

The super rare modules are definately trending upward. The exception is that Inverness mono that went for under 1K earlier this year.


Glad that Inverness went for under 1K too!  I doubt that will happen again the way things have been going lately.
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:45 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:Glad that Inverness went for under 1K too!  I doubt that will happen again the way things have been going lately.

Heh, heh... Say that again, but louder, just for Frank! :twisted:

$1,000 is still a lot of money, however...

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Well, no doubt that there are a few people around with serious spending power just now.
And even when those are taken into consideration, there are still the resellers (and high-level swappers) looking for copies.

As an additional plus, the strongish pound is also meaning us UK bidders are getting more of a look in... (although that also perhaps confuses the likes of ST1, say).

I will be very happy if the market doesn't overheat and go "bubble", though, and to that end the infrequent (and generally moderate) Acaeum updates are still a good thing, IMHO, to aid the long-term future of the collectors side of the hobby.
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:47 pm 
 

harami2000 wrote:
invincibleoverlord wrote:In my opinion this module is way overpriced for the money I'd rather have 2-3 older (mid 70's) rare modules.

Two, yes, perhaps... Three would take some interesting bidding (both for ST1 and the others!).
I guess we're going to have to wait and see, here...

I'll stick by that comment, made pre-ST1 part II...
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:16 pm 
 

$610 new record? honestly two of the museum investors and I takled for about an hour about how much to pay for the module. What we decided was to obbiously to go for it. To tell you the truth we didn't think we where going to win it. And as far as that evil word "sniping" on e-bay lets be honest any highly collectable item has this happen. All the bidding takes place in the last few seconds. We've tride to place fair to high bids and let them stand, and we've always been out bid. I'm willing to bet that if I would have placed a $610 bid even one minute before close it would have gone for $612 or more. Someone did bid $600. Lets face it E-bay is a sellers market, and I don't like paying more than what it's worth. But hard to come by is hard to come by. As far as the POTVQ this was a must for the museum, and we've always wanted the black folder. It's like getting a first and second print togeather, and it has a mysterious look to it, great for the museum. As far as being incomplete I'll let you know. I have a call into Tadashie. He may be the original buyer. The two Dungeoneers #2 and #3 I recived from him where addressed to him 1976 post marks. He may know excatlly when/where he purchased it. It could shead some light on the first/second print mystery.

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:26 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:As far as the POTVQ this was a must for the museum, and we've always wanted the black folder. It's like getting a first and second print togeather, and it has a mysterious look to it, great for the museum.

Agreed! Congratulations :)

Pity it doesn't glow in the dark!! 8)

invincibleoverlord wrote:As far as being incomplete I'll let you know. I have a call into Tadashie.

Tadashi E. (well known figure in RPG history).

Umm... the auction description:
"Level five referee's map is tri-folded and seems to be a copy"

Well, I'd guess it's tri-folded because Tadashi (or whoever the original owner was) wrote off and got sent a replacement page. (Or possibly from another source, at a later date... who knows...?).
Now, whether that's an original page, or a photocopy, I simply don't know.
Presumably Tadashi was playing safe in the auction description, but in that case so was I with my bidding... (And I really didn't expect to be in there at the end, to be honest).
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:27 pm 
 

Good luck with the ST1 Harami
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:30 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:Good luck with the ST1 Harami

You know I'm not answering that (implied) question, and I know you're not playing the value down. Fair's fair? :)

I'm already looking forward to the after-auction discussions, though!
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:40 pm 
 

I wasen't impling anything, I saw you where the high bidder on St1 part 2 (has two ever come out at the same time? and do you think this will effect bidding) The second one looks nicer. Again no impling anything just wishing a fellow collector luck.
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:51 pm 
 

invincibleoverlord wrote:I wasen't impling anything, I saw you where the high bidder on St1 part 2 (has two ever come out at the same time? and do you think this will effect bidding)

Sorry, that's the danger: was already confusing enough before that second copy appeared... and I do feel obliged to be reasonably careful making comments here!

For example, if someone was to play down the value of "item x" and say a second "item x" looked nicer, then nab the first one relatively inexpensively and sit back to watch the other one soar away, what would be said here? (and how would the buyers feel?)
Just hypothetically speaking, of course...

And the sums of money involved here are not trivial.

invincibleoverlord wrote:The second one looks nicer. Again no impling anything just wishing a fellow collector luck.

Thanks for that, Mike (& co.). Always appreciated. :)

Yes, but I also needed decent eyes and guesswork to spot several of the apparent flaws on the first copy before the enlargements were made available.

That second copy is certainly not perfect, and auction descriptions such as "Very played" and "Very Good Condition" (check The Acaeum's grading page!) mean that the buyer would have almost zero comeback on the sale should they find any relatively small faults (including than the creases, etc., which are visible).

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And I still don't know what a <quachduck> is, but the second seller doesn't seem to mind having zero-feedback/no-RPG buying history bidders on their auction (yet...).
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:25 pm 
 

$610 is by far the most I've seen a black folder go for. Mine was $281, and I thought that was steep at the time.
Here's a thought: How much will Malcolm be in the hole when he outbids everyone for the 2 ST1's in his attempt to control the market? Will the price of St1's go over $2,000 for thrashed copies? Stay tuned!


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:28 pm 
 

AND, I wouldn't touch that ST1 auction until better descriptions and pics are available.
It appears to be in much better shape than  the one Lawrenson showed me, and he was asking 800 pounds for that one (lol), so I imagine he will bid well over that on it.


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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:30 pm 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:$610 is by far the most I've seen a black folder go for. Mine was $281, and I thought that was steep at the time.

Mike, don't ask Frank about his tourney Inverness, whatever you do! :roll:
Deadlord36 wrote:Here's a thought: How much will Malcolm be in the hole when he outbids everyone for the 2 ST1's in his attempt to control the market? Will the price of St1's go over $2,000 for thrashed copies? Stay tuned!

*g*

Depends if they've all got reserves set at $2,001...
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:18 pm 
 

And I still don't know what a <quachduck> is, but the second seller doesn't seem to mind having zero-feedback/no-RPG buying history bidders on their auction (yet...).


The infamous <quachduck> I hear he has 42 hit points and an AC of 1
  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:00 pm 
 

Must be a first level 3E character.


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:50 am 
 

terribly quiet around here just now... 8)
  

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Post Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:37 am 
 

harami2000 wrote:terribly quiet around here just now... 8)


I'm sure people will think of something to say very soon, maybe I'll pen a line or two in the mean time.   :)
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Post Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:48 am 
 

Deadlord36 wrote:Malcolm, you can't possibly think that the copy you wanted to trade was better ......


Interesting choice of words as it was you who approached me requesting the trade and after seeing the scans of the dog-gnawed copy with tea stain, proposed the trade for #103, which I rejected (yes I do still have the emails). I was however somewhat dismayed at the tone of your posts as I would have expected you above most people to have learned to handle rejection more appropriately. I do think your Freudian valuation of $4,000 somewhat excessive, though if you would like me to put you on my ST1 waiting list at that price just let me know. :lol:

As to your assertions that I would pay $2000 per copy to control the price and your belief that there are hundreds of them out there I think you somewhat overestimate the proportion of my finances I would dedicate to any hobby. I have no interest in controlling the price as this would be a thoroughly scurrilous thing to do ‘though wholly feasible with the numbers I think exist. However if I see a bargain I'm happy to buy it. :)

Cheers,

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