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Post Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:26 pm 
 

These are new to me. They look neat. I have just never seen anyone mention them


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:32 pm 
 

I’m fairly certain that they’re new products.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:08 pm 
 

Never seen 'em, and I reviewed & approved every D&D license from 1983-86.


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Post Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:16 pm 
 

Frank,

Do you think it's possible these were TSR mockups / samples, like the holographic stickers TSR produced?  Perhaps another company made them as samples to pitch to TSR?

Maybe they are just fakes?

What about the windmills on the upper sticker?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:22 pm 
 

Could be mockups or fakes, but the tech to make them might prove them modern.
I have no idea tho.

  

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:01 am 
 

Getting the uncle's name (the purported original owner and TSR employee) might prove insightful.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:06 am 
 

Fair point Scott!

I believe that if these are original items, they belong to the 70s era... they would otherwise show the new Easley covers... the stickers on the back make me positive on the originality as these were the logos of that period (end of 70s, beginning of 80s)... however the 'if' persists, these evidences are not sufficient to my eyes.


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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:30 am 
 

I'll bet they're real; seems like a pretty odd (and somewhat difficult) thing to fake in the modern era.  This would have been the sort of shiny-and-sparkly doodad to impress people at conventions, circa 1977.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:19 pm 
 

FoulFoot wrote in Fake hologram stickers are not ligit. Dont buy them on ebay.:Getting the uncle's name (the purported original owner and TSR employee) might prove insightful.

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Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:41 pm 
 

Layout: Robert J. Duller, etc on Escape from New York TSR game 1981

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:21 am 
 

Over the weekend, the suite of these holographic stickers arrived. I also have exchanged several emails with the seller, Chrissy, trying to obtain more information. Unfortunately, from our last one, it's probably a dead end through them....and I'll quote:

"I may have dug as much as I could. I asked my mother but honestly it was so long ago and she’s so up in age now that she doesn’t really remember anything and that was her brother-in-law. My father has since passed so I can’t even ask him. I wish I knew more about these but if I do happen to find anything else in the future, I’ll definitely let you know it’s just a long and tedious task."

As far as the product, I really have zero reason to think these are not legit. Just from the feel, the card stock/sticker integrity...If you have bought any holographic type stickers in the past 5 years or so, you'd know they are shit quality (bough some for a kids bday party)... there is a little fading on one, the MM and they just don't "smell" new...if that makes sense.

To be honest, imho, to produce these (plus the 3 stickers on the back, then write on the back, using different quality/color pens, plastic protector) would well, be pointless in the end. The return (after ebay/paypal fees, production,etc) would be a joke for all this. And also, with the amount of messages going back and forth between myself and the seller....just doesn't support a "forgery" theory

Very cool item and definitely will be a cool addition to the wall, once framed....

But then again, I'm really Jon Snow in this...So I probably know nothing.... proceed at your own risk :)

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:06 pm 
 

Really cool pieces of TSR ephemera.  From the info gathered and the samples themselves, they appear to be legitimate.  They were likely produced as internal samples or perhaps for a sales/marketing promotion.

Did the seller mention anything about how many she had of each?  It looks like there is only more listed currently (Fiend Folio) and the seller has stopped listing multiple copies.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:26 am 
 

Plaag wrote in Fake hologram stickers are not ligit. Dont buy them on ebay.:Layout: Robert J. Duller, etc on Escape from New York TSR game 1981

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Thank you ShaneG

I received the full series today and they look legit indeed. I had bought a couple from another seller before but those didn't have the stickers at the back. If they counterfeited them, which I don't currently believe, then a lot of effort went into this for very little payout, as the previous post mentioned.

  

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:23 pm 
 

Seems weird that whomever made them used the red title MM, but later versions of DMG and PHB.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:40 pm 
 

Okay, best guess & final answer. ;>

After pondering this for 2 weeks, I do recall seeing certain oddities (one-offs) now and then, in the following context.

Andy Levison handled the licensing, so things like this would often go to his office.

Wannabe entrepreneurs and established firms would send TSR samples of what they wanted to produce by license. The potential payoff made the investments in samples worth it. They would sometimes show up unsolicited, but were more often prefaced with the appropriate contact etc.

Pretty sure these are in that category; never mass-produced or sold. Prolly a few more samples about somewhere, 'cause making one is pricy but making 100 gets reasonable (per unit).

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Post Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:16 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote in Fake hologram stickers are not ligit. Dont buy them on ebay.:Okay, best guess & final answer. ;>

After pondering this for 2 weeks, I do recall seeing certain oddities (one-offs) now and then, in the following context.

Andy Levison handled the licensing, so things like this would often go to his office.

Wannabe entrepreneurs and established firms would send TSR samples of what they wanted to produce by license. The potential payoff made the investments in samples worth it. They would sometimes show up unsolicited, but were more often prefaced with the appropriate contact etc.

Pretty sure these are in that category; never mass-produced or sold. Prolly a few more samples about somewhere, 'cause making one is pricy but making 100 gets reasonable (per unit).

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This is super helpful, thank you Frank. It explains a lot and points to some rarity, which is great of course as a buyer. I received the items and they look fairly amateurish with poor cuts, which backs the thesis of them being pre-production samples.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:59 pm 
 

I bought a DM guide one then. :)

  

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Post Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:03 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Fake hologram stickers are not ligit. Dont buy them on ebay.:Really cool pieces of TSR ephemera.  From the info gathered and the samples themselves, they appear to be legitimate.  They were likely produced as internal samples or perhaps for a sales/marketing promotion.

Did the seller mention anything about how many she had of each?  It looks like there is only more listed currently (Fiend Folio) and the seller has stopped listing multiple copies.



Spoke with her on Monday and she said she's pretty sure she has three full sets left. She also mentioned she would be returning to where her Uncles items are stored and will check if anymore, or if anything that can shed more light on them. I'll update if anything comes up.

  
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