Shady Dealers

Posts: 488 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:35 am

Aneoth,

I hope you replied with the same tone as his last email. Yeah, it took a kick in the nuts to get him on the same page, but I think you should be equally as "nice" in return.

Great job of standing up for yourself. Now it remains to be seen if the seller will alter his policies. I personally do not think so. He's tired of dealing with a buyer (Aneoth) that knows what he's doing. He will go back to his terrible shipping and handling policies because others will not fight him like you did.

Martin

Posts: 3999 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:41 am

Aneoth wrote:

Sometimes you just have to stand up for your rights and hope for Justice..... even if it hurts...

well aint this an interesting developement?
I am now waiting for the revised invoice with my ever so eager Paypal account.

Impressive. Shocked

Posts: 4704 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:43 am

You may notice he said he will send after you leave good feedback. DO NOT leave feedback until you get the items. Once you leave it, you are porked. Wait till they get there and all are present and in good condition. Otherwise he may ship you one book out of the lot just to get a tracking number, or some other tomfoolery.
Is tomfoolery a Brit word?

Posts: 7604 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:44 am

well the guy cant leave negative feedback anyway so who cares Smile

Posts: 4704 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:42 am

True, Al, but he CAN ship only one item, or ship damaged ones, amongst other things. Then Annie has to drag him through a Paypal dispute, etc.
CYA.

Posts: 1432 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:43 am

Prufrock wrote:

Aneoth,

I hope you replied with the same tone as his last email. Yeah, it took a kick in the nuts to get him on the same page, but I think you should be equally as "nice" in return.

Great job of standing up for yourself. Now it remains to be seen if the seller will alter his policies. I personally do not think so. He's tired of dealing with a buyer (Aneoth) that knows what he's doing. He will go back to his terrible shipping and handling policies because others will not fight him like you did.

Martin

Actually, I gave him full credit for the solution.

Quote:

Pete,

I think that You have come up with an excellent solution.
I will send payment (via Paypal) as soon as possible once I have the revised invoice.
Thank you, and Best regards.
Aneoth

And as for the feedback remark, I also noticed it and his feedback will be left AFTER I receive ALL of the items, OR we will continue this charade.
I simply pretended not to see that comment when I replied to his last E-Mail.

Posts: 2631 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:34 pm

Deadlord39 wrote:

DO NOT leave feedback until you get the items.

Good policy for all purchases.

Posts: 4704 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:24 pm

I think I'm pretty lenient when it comes to leaving feedback. I have only dinged a very few sellers, and those were for legitimate reasons, mostly due to shipping issues. We've all had them: the pristine module sent in a paper mailing envelope with a $6.50 shipping charge, the stack of modules sent with no packing materials in a huge box, etc.
I suck ass at packing, which is why I have my wife do it. Since she took over, I have not had a damaged item yet, and not for lack of trying on the part of the Post Office.
$15 to ship a few books is still ridiculous. I would insist they get shipped Priority with DC and insurance. Even at that, it will probably cost him ten bucks tops.

Posts: 342 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:22 pm

Xaxaxe wrote:

Christsakes! four pages isn't enough for this nonsense? Confused

I think we can all agree that this seller is a shipping profiteer with a questionable attitude and shaky understanding of how eBay works. Then again, he's not the one who did not ask EXACTLY how much the combined shipping total would be.

All due respect, Aneoth ... you seem like a decent guy and all that, but you're not entirely blameless here. One simple question asked and none of this is even happening.

Asbestos suit (+1, +3 vs. lemurs) is now on; flame away, Acaeum high priests!

Ebay has rules about charging a fair amount for shipping, and if a seller intends on combing items into one package those rules remian in place. So the buyer doesn't have to expect some scam artist trying to milk an extra $40 out of multiple wins.

Its like the sellers who post that once they've put something in the mail they wash their hands of it, but they better have some proof of shipping or they will lose a chargeback or paypal claim if package doesn't arrive.

No, buyers do not have to make sure the seller is honest, sellers just have to be honest, period, or face what is coming to them.

Posts: 40 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:48 pm

Hi Gang,

Does anybody know Matt from Centerstage... It's been two months and three emails (no responses) since I paid... Should I be concerned?

David

Posts: 331 · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:01 pm

Matt's a good guy - I know he was having major internet problems recently. Will try to see if I can find out what is going on for you. I can vouch for him - he must be having some problem...

Posts: 1432 · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:28 am

Deadlord39 wrote:

.....$15 to ship a few books is still ridiculous. I would insist they get shipped Priority with DC and insurance. Even at that, it will probably cost him ten bucks tops.

He stated he would ship Priority, which will cost between 9.80 and 10.60 from him to me.
I do not think that a 5 dollar over his cost charge is enough for me to continue to argue further with this guy.

Especially when he started at 48.65 (Individually), then 39 (combined), then pay all his E-Bay listing and sale fees and get nothing, and now down to 15........ and get it all.
IF I get all seven of the books in good condition, then I will walk away a pleased buyer, and I will feel that I did well enough on this one.

Posts: 3999 · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:29 am

davidc wrote:

Hi Gang,

Does anybody know Matt from Centerstage... It's been two months and three emails (no responses) since I paid... Should I be concerned?

David

Hi David:

I think you should be mildly concerned...but everything I know about Matt and Centerstage indicates that he is a standup guy and a trustworthy seller.

I would advise patience as there may be some problem Matt is working out. Contact him again.

Mark

Posts: 1238 · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:32 am

davidc wrote:

Hi Gang,

Does anybody know Matt from Centerstage... It's been two months and three emails (no responses) since I paid... Should I be concerned?

David

What Mark Shipley said - keep trying and good luck.

Posts: 342 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:15 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Lot-of-Assorted-RPG-Books-NEW_W0QQitemZ180254 489957QQihZ008QQcategoryZ44111QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I remember a scam years ago where they advertise a certain retail dollar value and unload 1 of each decent item and 50 copies each of crap CCGs. This reminds me so much of that.

Posts: 107 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:25 am

JZavoda wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Lot-of-Assorted-RPG-Books-NEW_W0QQitemZ180254 489957QQihZ008QQcategoryZ44111QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I remember a scam years ago where they advertise a certain retail dollar value and unload 1 of each decent item and 50 copies each of crap CCGs. This reminds me so much of that.

The auction is more aimed at resellers than collectors, and if I were a reseller, I think I would want an accurate inventory before bidding.

Posts: 7604 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:00 am

Grug Greyskin wrote:

The auction is more aimed at resellers than collectors, and if I were a reseller, I think I would want an accurate inventory before bidding.

well his comms and shipping DSR are pretty crappy.

plus its for a reseller for sure as there are only ~40 different titles in a lot of ~1200 books, so what, ~30 of each title?

Al

Posts: 1002 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:31 am

killjoy32 wrote:

well his comms and shipping DSR are pretty crappy.

plus its for a reseller for sure as there are only ~40 different titles in a lot of ~1200 books, so what, ~30 of each title?

Al

Yes that looks correct.. 30 cases 40 titles.. 50cents each.. I don't know if its that a good a deal to be honest.. those aren't big sellers and most I know can be had for a couple of $$ not, so $1 each is about all you'll get...

Brette:)

Posts: 7604 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:55 am

beasterbrook wrote:

Yes that looks correct.. 30 cases 40 titles.. 50cents each.. I don't know if its that a good a deal to be honest.. those aren't big sellers and most I know can be had for a couple of $$ not, so $1 each is about all you'll get...

Brette:)

well lets face it, if they HAD been good sellers, would he have been offloading them like that? Smile

Posts: 342 · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:59 am

killjoy32 wrote:

well lets face it, if they HAD been good sellers, would he have been offloading them like that? Smile

Sure, yesterdays junk, like orange B3's or Judges Guild catalogs that get tossed in dumpsters, metagaming microgames, fanzines where the 90% of the production runs sat on the ownders shelf because of a minimum printing order... lots of items get liquadated then become valuable.

I worked in a liquadation wholesalers back in the 80's. We received pallets of Power of the Force figures and Marvel secret wars and DC characters that we sold to retail outlets at $350 per 1000 figures. 3 years later those same figures were going for at least $10 each. Take a look at the comic book marketplace in the last few years. The RPG marketplace has always been the same. There is an ocean of stuff going cheap, then a lake then a pond, then it dries up and the prices start going up.

What some of these liqaudators do is to offer a pig in a poke or a salted mine. You might receive 1 of each listed item and the rest 100's of some worthless overpriced item. I was wondering if anyone had dealt with this dealer before because it looks like a salted mine deal.